An Open Letter To Texas

Dear texas,

I understand there are those in your state - which was stolen from Mexico - who wish to leave the rest of the US. In particular one Peter Morrison.

All I can say is...PLEASE !

And take Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, Kansas, Tennessee and Kentucky with you.

I'm sure you all will be unbelievably happy living in the 1850s which is obviouly what you so desperatly want.

Those of us in the rest of the country would be more than happy to turn off your electricty and water. Provide nada in military protection. And no longer provide you with any money or help for your aged and sick.

Nice knowing you.

And turn the lights off when you leave.

 

A Friend.

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And as a Louidisnian

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I wonder about that whoe purchase thing becasue it was pretty big news back in the day. Also that whole river thing I'm guessing that would be a wrap.

pfft

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Tell it to....

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Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower, LBJ(why don't we just forget abot the Great Society and the CRAs while we're at it), James K. Galbraith, Loyd Dogget, and Ann Richards. Also the Populist party was started in TX.

I know our state has problems but it's no reason to write off the entire state and everyone in it. Also you could make that stolen argument for CA too.

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obviously not every single person in any one place is terrible

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and in some ways I find the argument that "Buddy Holly was from Lubbock!" to be vaguely similar to "Republicans aren't bigoted because of Condoleeza Rice and Allen West".

Sometime back I made a list of great rock n rollers from the South.

Texas - Buddy Holly, Louisiana - Fats Domino, Georgia - Little Richard, Arkansas - Johnny Cash, Tennessee - Carl Perkins, Mississippi - Bo Diddley, Virginia - Gene Vincent, South Carolina - James Brown, North Carolina - Ben E. King...you get the idea.

There are always good people in any place. In some of those places the good people are wildly outnumbered. In my Condoleeza Rice example above, please substitute "African-American" for "good". So just because Molly Ivins was from Texas, or Ann Richards, or Janis Joploin, I think, overall, I could do without that state helping to decide the direction of the rest of the country.

Having said that, I can see why it would be a big logistical problem. You'd want to move and moving is a drag.

 

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I'm sorry, this is just not accurate or a good example

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The TX you think you know was a blue state as JFK woulnd't have won without LBJ and LBJ carried TX as well. There's also the Populist party that spawned down here that Jim Hightower writes about.

Also Northern states are not immune to any of the dynamics that reside in south bashing that is so ever prevalent. The racist Boston bus riots for example.

So no, it's not like the Clarence Thomas or Condaleeza Rice being black argument at all. It's about the nuances of a region and not judging what you don't understand. Ann Richards was Governor before GWB. It does matter that Mark Twain was from the south and was an anti imperialist because where people reside have an effect on them and it can be good or bad even if the pendulum should turn and more people vote against their interests than not because the individuals who came from that region had just as much lasting impact like Twain and many of the musicians you describe. It actually does factor in.

I normally like what you have to say but really, it's more like the argument that since there is a lot of crime in run down areas with a lot of minorities, that it's because minorities live there instead of the social dynamic of not supporting the area and funding schools(like in NOLA and Katrina. Why didn't they just go to their summer home?), after school programs etc. And if someone should buck the trend they are "one of the good ones."

I'm not implying this directly to you, but you should be careful with those kinds of analogies directed towards me as they do not fit here and the situation is much more complex. Plus no party truly represents the people anymore since the rise of Neoliberalism and the Great Divergence. One party is just more batshit and there are a lot of people in each region whom don't vote because they feel unrepresented. My city opened up the Astrodome after Katrina which was very helpful and an idea from mayor Bill White. You just can't judge an entire state regardless of its political power structure. The pendulum swings for strange reasons.

And it does matter who comes from a state for that is why this diary was written based on Republicans in this state. For instance the Bush family is from CT, but in this stereotype about TX in this diary, you woulnd't know that.

So sorry, that dog don't hunt.

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To be fair,

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I really don't think that this is about 'writing off the entire state and everyone in it'. I think this is really about calling the secessionists' bluff - telling them to put up or shut up.

And if they really decided to put up, I have a spare room for any progressive Texan who wants a place to stay. :-)

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the stolen argument doesn't really work too well

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Mexico stole their land too...........but that is neither here nor there, the point is that Texas needs to seceed!  Price, you will always be welcome to sleep in either of my two sheds.  Heck, I'll start running an extension cord now.  If that ain't progressive of me I just don't know what is.....

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The demographics are changing

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Perry won't be here forever, but thanks, Sartoris! I woudl probably hit I-10 E to LA with poligirl and LaEscapee for starters. :D

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wait, what did you say? the demographics are changing????

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hmmm.....wonder where you could read an article on changing demographics???

maybe at the little upstart website, Voices On The Square.  check out my article on changing demographics in the American electorate. 

Fine, I'll keep the extension cord handy, just in case you want to try a Chicago winter.  You're right, though,  10 years from now Texas politics will be a different animal.  I'm done for the evening.  Take care, Price.

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Huzzah!

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Let the gerrymanderers and vote suppressers win!

Seems like, based on the 12/4 Republican win in the Ohio House races, Republican State House of Representatives, Senate and Governor, you'll be wanting Ohio to secede too, along with Indiana (6/3), and Pennsylvania (13/5).

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nah.

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As usual, its just nasty Southerners liike me that they want to kick out of the Union.

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Had this fight already.

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Over at the Kult of Kos.  Not gonna have it again.  Glad to know where you stand on whether I should be a citizen of this country, though.

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I only caught the edge of that argument ...

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... was it every anything but a lazy "can't be bothered to work out a progressive / populist coalition that can field candidates that can win in counties across the nation, just edit the country so the existing socially liberal wing of the corporatist party is the dominant party" kind of argument?

 

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Yep.

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Thats it in a nutshell.  It's the argument of lazy progressives who think democracy should be easy.  That if a region doesn't agree with you, you don't work to change hearts and minds...you just disenfranchise them by kicking them out of the country. Regionalist bigots.

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Its a 100% of the states strategery ...

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... by subtracting from the denominator instead of adding to the numerator, since fighting in all 50 states with constant capitulation on pro-oligarchy by the corporate wing of the Democratic party to the demand of the corporate wing of the Republican party can't be excused across the <i>whole</i> country with some mildly socially liberal stands.

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Yes but with some variables left out

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You're right about subtracting away from the denominator and adding to the numerator, but that constant capitulation is not only in red states, specifically on education and race to the top, so it can't really be a 100% state strategy as in getting a 100% desired result they think getting rid of red states will add as far as policy though perhaps electing the right kind of neoliberals. It might reveal that red and blue states are more alike than initially thought.

What I meant was this kind of thinking is similar to Rahm Emanuel not wanting to mess around in red states at all back in 2006 because he thought there was no use unlike Dean whom was right.

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Its also, as I alluded to above ...

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... that where the focus is on socially liberal outcomes with a corporate-dominated neoliberal economic policy, a lot of the main opportunities to make inroads in the "red" areas are along anti-corporatist populist grounds rather than along pro-corporatist, socially liberal grounds.

"Red v Blue" is not really a state by state thing, but an inner urban and inner suburban versus outer suburban, small town and rural thing, since largely the "red" and "blue" status of a state is just a reflection of the share of population in large metropolitan areas. Eliminating "the red states" will shift the balance of power, but shifting the median is not going to shift the balance of power away from corporate power when there are powerful corporate wings in both parties.

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