Gore Vidal, Open Thread



I am sure we have all heard by now Gore Vidal died this past week. So how about a few quotes on a lazy Sunday morning.

Quotes, a tune, plus bonus reading material down there.

Apparently, a democracy is a place where numerous elections are held at great cost without issues and with interchangeable candidates.

By the time a man gets to be presidential material, he's been bought ten times over.

Fifty percent of people won't vote, and fifty percent don't read newspapers. I hope it's the same fifty percent.

Democracy is supposed to give you the feeling of choice, like Painkiller X and Painkiller Y. But they're both just aspirin.

Now you have people in Washington who have no interest in the country at all. They're interested in their companies, their corporations grabbing Caspian oil.

Our form of democracy is bribery, on the highest scale.

The corporate grip on opinion in the United States is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent.

Today's public figures can no longer write their own speeches or books, and there is some evidence that they can't read them either.



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At least someone is talking about it

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6 Ways California Is Planning to Adapt to Climate Change

North Carolina is dealing with sea level rise by banning science. California is doing something else: actually making plans.

The Golden State has made itself a leader on climate change in recent years, with initiatives to slash greenhouse gas emissions and amp up renewable energy, and has now just released a hefty report on global warming's impacts on the state and how it plans to adapt to a hot new West.

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Even the Dept. of "Defense" is taking climate change seriously

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http://climateandsecurity.org/2012/01/25/defense-science-board-report-on...

Even the War Department, er, uh, I mean the Dept of Defense is taking climate change seriously. Take a few minutes and read the study I linked. There are some questionable recommendations but there are actually some that make sense. It is just shamefull and embarrassing that the media indulges the flat earthers and lets them participate in discussions about climate change. Hey, here's an idea, next time the media does a story on NASA they should talk to some of the people who think the moon landing took place in a Hollywood studio. I mean we want all sides to be presented, right?????? Oh, Happy Sunday morning.........

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With the theme

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Kevin Gosztola at FDL writes about Gore Vidal's commentary on the "National Security State".


In March 1998, Vidal delivered an excellent speech on this subject at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. It was based on an essay he wrote for Vanity Fair in November 1997, and it highlighted the fiftieth anniversary of the National Security Act, which Vidal introduced as an act that, “without any national debate or the people’s consent, replaced the old American republic with a national security state very much in the global empire business.”
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Today would have been Adam Yauch's b'day

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He would have been 48 Rolling Stone has a tribute titled The Many Lives of Adam Yauch.


He had come so far, done so much, played so many roles along the way, but even in the final months of his too-short life, Adam Yauch kept it going full steam. Teenage punk; semi-malicious egg-tossing prankster; underrated bass player; world's first credible white rapper; beer-guzzling hell-raiser; pothead; acidhead; skier, skater and snowboarder; Buddhist; outspoken feminist; Tibetan activist; friend to the Dalai Lama; music-video and documentary director; indie-movie distributor; vegan; husband; father – he was all of these things, trading in outmoded selves like used vinyl when enlightenment beckoned. "If there was one word to describe Adam, it was 'evolved,'" says one of his oldest friends, Matthew Allison. "He always took things further, to a level you never expected."
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Yeah sorry about that

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I get antsy, maybe this will make you feel better. A new baby Panda ;^)

21-year-old female giant panda, Bai Yun, gave birth to her 6th cub on July 29, 2012 at 2:10pm. This makes us the most successful panda breeding facility outside of China, and it makes our mama bear one of the oldest pandas to give birth.

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oh!

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shee-it! I don't EVEN want to tell you what I took and still I was not sleeping....but it does explain why I got up so late this morning~

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Fran Liebowitz--Public Speaking

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My daughter is here this weekend with friends; that's why my participation has been limited.

Letting Vidal's death remind us of the era when writers and thinkers enjoyed celebrity, I bring a clip from the immensely enjoyable HBO documentary--I think Scorcese directed--about Liebowitz. A quick glance through youtube fails to uncover the segment which referred briefly to Vidal, including a clip of him being cogent. Anyway, I highly recommend this film, although it can make you sad for a more clear-headed time. It seems that much of the film is available on youtube through isolated clips. Here's one that I particularly love (have I mentioned post-emotion?):

A pertinent and prophetic Vidal quote:

As the age of television progresses the Reagans will be the rule, not the exception. To be perfect for television is all a President has to be these days.

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Television is now so desperately hungry for material that they're scraping the top of the barrel.

What year did he write that? It turns out, the form is all television needs to maintain its grip. The media is the message.

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Good afternoon geomoo

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That Liebowitz clip is amazing. I remember "back in the day" when I stated those same things, "I don't have a cell phone". I was a late bloomer on the tracking device, "the computer is nothing but a screen", never thought I would climb in but without either now I feel naked. I was raised on the boob tube and I guess it was just a progression that was inevitable. Makes one wonder what exactly were they doing in those labs subjecting people to all those "tests", what was the objective. We read now, years later about things that "our" government did decades ago and are shocked that no one spoke up but what is disturbing is to realize that at the time no one knew. Maybe that is why now when more information is available and people question actions the immediately become targets of "lists".

Just a thought ;^)

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I love Fran...

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brilliant talk show guest. What a shame they only seem to want to book people who have movies or teevee shows to promote anymore.

"I place a high moral value on the way people behave. I find it repellent to have a lot, and to behave with anything other than courtesy in the old sense of the word - politeness of the heart, a gentleness of the spirit."
~Fran Lebowitz

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Not sure I get that one.

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"Fifty percent of people won't vote, and fifty percent don't read newspapers. I hope it's the same fifty percent."

He hoped those that don't vote are the same people that don't read the newspapers. It would appear he was talking about being an informed citizen. Some of his other quotes indicate he thinks the democratic process in the US is bullshit.
Let's see. Newspapers are propaganda outlets. If only those who read the newspapers vote, that doesn't sound good to me. And then there's the idea of voting at all. If the democratic system is broken, bought and paid for, why vote?
I don't know, he was much smarter than me. Maybe he was talking about newspapers fifty years ago. .

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Hey Al

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That was my thought.

Maybe he was talking about newspapers fifty years ago.

He was a writer and many other of his quotes disparaged the quality of writers and media in general and the decline and loss of both informed and dissenting opinion. Like many others and even ourselves in our lifetime I would like to think that watching the decline is as heartbreaking as it is disgusting.

I think that is why TPTB hate us having the power to say what we want and spread it around, I say good for them.

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