Are You Voting for Obama?

Most people in this country are not happy with how it’s being run. No Shit Sherlock. If approval ratings of Congress go any lower, it might come down to the Last American.

"The Last American to give Congress an approval rating appears on MSNBC with Rachel Maddow.

Rachel: So how is it, Last American, that you decided to give an approval rating to Congress?

Last American: Well Rachel, when I took the poll I thought it said push 3 if you disapprove and 4 if you approve. I was microwaving ramen noodles at the time and mistakenly pushed 4.

Rachel: So you actually disapprove of Congress along with the other 307 million people in this country?

Last American: Hell yes Rachel, do people think I’m stupid? Shit, I was just cooking dinner and made a mistake."

The reasons may vary among the various categories we like to group people into: conservatives, liberals, progressives, left, right, center, libertarians, independents, and Greens, etc. But there has to be an overall reason that causes such a large percentage of citizens to disapprove of their political representation.

Overall most people believe the system is corrupted and both parties cannot work together for the good of the country. So everybody complains, grumbles, bitches and moans and the best we can come up with is having a few thousand people camp out in city parks demanding that the powers that be allow us to grumble, bitch, moan and complain in public spaces. Specific demands aren’t needed they said because something is being built. A new way. Meanwhile the police state turns up the volume and knocks the movement on it’s ass.

It ain’t dead, but what will it’s second life look like?

One thing the movement did emphasize, although it wasn’t truly grasped by nearly enough, is that both major political parties serve the 1%, and more directly the .01%. It planted the theme that the rich are getting richer and directly benefiting from our political system while everyone else is getting the shaft.

Many in the Occupy movement have made it clear that it is not a subservient of either major political party and those true to the movement have steadfastly refused any cooptation toward democratic and republican party goals and elections, although attempts certainly have been made and will continue. The entire premise of the 99% versus 1% meme assumes both parties have been sold out to the oligarchy that pulls the strings.

Front line supporters such as Chris Hedges have advocated for those in the movement and all willing to rebel (rage) against the machine to withhold their votes from the two major parties.

In a Truthout interview regarding his newly released book, “Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt”, Hedges made this statement.

“But at the same time it is vital to remember that we cannot achieve significant reform or restore our democracy through established mechanisms of power. The electoral process has been hijacked by corporations. The judiciary has been corrupted and bought. The press shuts out the most important voices in the country and feeds us the banal and the absurd. Universities prostitute themselves for corporate dollars. Labor unions are marginal and ineffectual forces. The economy is in the hands of corporate swindlers and speculators. And the public, enchanted by electronic hallucinations, remains largely passive and supine. We have no tools left within the power structure in our fight to halt unchecked corporate pillage. “

Movie actor and evidently citizen activist John Cusack recently published an article reflecting his views on voting for Obama via a discussion he had with Constitutional law professor Johnathan Turley.

"Now that the Republican primary circus is over, I started to think about what it would mean to vote for Obama…
there are certain Rubicon lines, as constitutional law professor Jon Turley calls them, that Obama has crossed.
All political questions are not equal no matter how much you pivot. When people die or lose their physical freedom to feed certain economic sectors or ideologies, it becomes a zero sum game for me.
This is not an exercise in bemoaning regrettable policy choices, or cheering favorable ones, but to ask fundamentally: Who are we? What are we voting for? And what does it mean?
Three markers — the Nobel prize acceptance speech, the escalation speech at West Point, and the recent speech by Eric Holder — crossed that Rubicon line for me…
Obama wants your vote– make him earn it."

Cusack listed a litany of reasons why he doesn’t feel he can vote for Obama and yet tells us that if you vote for Obama, make him earn it, without explaining how that could be possible, particularly considering the significance of his primiary issues.

How can people make Obama earn their vote?

Or is that antithetical to what Hedges is saying relative to “But at the same time it is vital to remember that we cannot achieve significant reform or restore our democracy through established mechanisms of power."?

Hedges elaborates in the interview:

"What was left of electoral politics in the United States gasped and sputtered to its extinction with the 2010 Supreme Court ruling known as Citizens United. At that point the game was over. Legalized bribery now defines the political process. The most retrograde elements of corporate capitalism, such as the Koch brothers, are the undisputed king makers. They decide who gets elected by anonymously pouring hundreds of millions into campaigns.”

If “they” decide who gets elected President, what’s the purpose of voting? If money is the determinant of who wins the election, what does that say about the minds of the American public? Money fuels the messages that persuades the citizens who to vote for. Why don’t we just save time and have the billionaires, play a game of Five Card Stud. We could get it all over in one night.

“It is not going to get better. The climate crisis alone will assure that. The corporate state knows what is coming. Globalization is breaking down. Our natural resources are being depleted. Economic and political upheavals are inevitable. And our corporate rulers are preparing a world of masters and serfs, a world where repression will be our daily diet, a world of hunger and riots, a world of brutal control and a world where our spirits must be broken. We have to stop asking what is reasonable or practical, what the Democratic Party or the government can do for us, what will work or not work. We must refuse now to make any concessions, large or small. We must remember that the lesser of two evils is still evil. We must no longer let illusions pacify us. Hell is truth seen too late. In large and small ways we are called to resist, resist, resist, as we race heedlessly into the abyss.”

The lesser of two evils is still evil yes, but it depends. Some evil is worse than other evil isn’t it? Isn’t that the primary argument Obama supporters have now, that he is the “lesser” of two evils? But what if one believes that both parties are beholden to the oligarchy, that elite 1% that have accumulated more assets, wealth, wages, power and influence than the 1% have had at any time in this nation’s history and apparently vying for the greatest percentage of wealth in human history.

As Cusack said

”Instead of scrutiny, the usual arguments in favor of another Obama presidency are made: We must stop fanatics;—he’s the last line of defense from the corporate barbarians—and of course the Supreme Court. It all makes a terrible kind of sense and I agree completely with Garry Wills who described the Republican primaries as “ a revolting combination of con men and fanatics…the current primary race has become a demonstration that the Republican party does not deserve serious consideration for public office.”

True enough.
But yet…”

There’s that Rubicon line, the term Cusack used, a point of no return, a line in the sand. Obama has crossed so many lines in the sand for those truly disturbed by what happened during the Bush administration, they’ve melded together and have created a giant barrier. A barrier of conscience, justice, morality, and humanity. A barrier so large for many that even a batshit crazy venture capitalist and his neanderthal "rape is good for the soul" party partners aren't enough to spark a need to pull the lever in Obama's favor.

Obama appears like the wolf in sheep's clothing. He's given the Nobel Peace Prize before he does anything, then proceeds to make it the most Orwellian award since Caesar proclaimed himself the Humanitarian Emperor. It's unbelievable to even think about at this point after the escalation in and continued occupation of Afghanistan, the expanded drone wars, the imperial pivot to a reinvigorated Cold War with Russia and now with China, continued torture, failure to close Guantanomo, Executive privilege assassinations, and elevation of the police state apparatus formalized under Bush. A Nobel Peace Prize, can there be anything more ridiculous, maybe even evil than that. Talk about a lesser of two evils.

Cusack said make him earn it before we vote for him. I agree. Hedges said we must no longer let illusions pacify us. I agree with that too.

Evidently Obama is a competitive person, likes to win at everything. You can bet he wants to win this election and even more so because his opponent is Romney. He and his cronies (i.e., Rahm, etc.) have continually taken their base for granted and have offered nothing during this general election season to even provide a new illusion.

Make him earn it. I'm not voting for Obama as things stand and I don't think there is a dang thing he can do between now and election day that will change my mind. In fact, every day that goes by solidifies my decision. I'm very antiwar, anti-imperialism, anti-financial oligarchy, anti-police state and Obama has expanded all of those. I just don't think it matters, the powers that be have their plans and they will be carried out by whoever is there. If there was something that could change my mind, I'm not sure what it is. We have the budget negotiations coming up and the issues of social programs versus U.S. military imperialism. We have many issues but that one is immediate and front and center on the table, unless Obama decides to attack Iran and/or Syria. Maybe we make Obama earn it by telling him if he doesn't stop the attacks on social programs and curtail the military empire within the next two years, he must promise to the American public that he will resign while in office. Of course I'm not voting for Romney, that would be an absurd assumption considering what I've written. I may consider a third party but there are pro's and con's in that to me. Personally I'd like to see the American public make a mockery of American democracy in front of the entire world by having a presidential election with a turnout of less than 40%. What would that say about the beacon of democracy that is a global force for good? Could that spur change?

"I started a joke, which started the whole world crying, But I didn't see that the joke was on me,..."

That's how hard it is.

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Big Al, will Chomsky change your mind?

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Noam Chomsky: ‘There’s Nothing Wrong With Picking the Lesser of Two Evils’

The renowned linguist and political philosopher tells The Real News that there is indeed a difference between the two major parties and their candidates, if only a narrow one. While they both serve elites, Chomsky says, the Democrats, over time, help people.
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20081021_noam_chomsky_theres_nothin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNpNzDoH1II&feature=player_embedded

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Not a chance.

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Chomsky is much smarter than me for sure, but I think he's operating in a historical sense when he says that. I think we'll see that at the end of this year and next year when they address the budget deficit and the national debt. I could go as far as to say we have Madison Avenue generated shows put on before us, or a good cop, bad cop routines, but that's probably a bit extreme. But the political pressure from the oligarchy or plutocracy keeps both party leaderships and the president and his admin in place and on target for the same goals, so it's going to turn out the same no matter at this point. I don't think we can be satisfied with help over time from the democrats, or even expect that now, we have to go out and make them do it. If they want our votes, they are going to have to do it. Like Hedges said, "We must refuse now to make any concessions, large or small."

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I have all the respect in the world for Noam Chomsky.

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But I can no longer bring myself to hold my nose and vote for the least worst candidate. I've been doing it for thirty years and I simply cannot continue.

It makes me very sad to feel this way, but Obama has not earned my vote. Far from it.

I will be voting in the upcoming general election for Rocky Anderson and the Justice Party. Theirs is the only platform I can endorse. If Obama's track record aligned with the Justice Party's platform, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. It should - the Justice Party platform should be the Democratic Party's platform - but it doesn't, and isn't.

The Justice Party Platform:


Economic Justice:
-Implement major domestic green jobs and infrastructure programs
-Re-establish and make viable workers’ right to organize
-Create a fair, democratic, and transparent financial sector that serves the needs of start-ups, small business and consumers
-End incentives for U.S. companies to send jobs overseas
-Enact a financial transaction tax that will curb reckless speculation and provide revenue for job creation, job training and education
-End the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy
-Compassionate and rational immigration reform
-End to subsidies for oil and gas companies
-Free education through four years of college or equivalent as a right
-Protect public investments by opposing and reversing the privatization of public assets


Environmental Justice:
-Enforce employee and environmental safeguards in trade agreements
-Ban the Canada-to-Mexico tar sands pipeline and mountain top removal
-Enhance air and water quality protections by strengthening the EPA
-Take aggressive action and leadership on the climate crisis and the environment


Social and Civic Justice:
-Affordable universal health care through Improved Medicare for All
-An end to the wars; reduce the military budget and redirect money to domestic economy
-Marriage equality
-End race and gender discrimination
-Treat substance abuse within a public health framework rather than as a criminal matter
-Repeal the PATRIOT Act
-Abolish corporate personhood and implement campaign finance reform to end the corrupting influence of money in politics
-Prosecute the illegal conduct that led to the economic melt-down

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the only party

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And the only candidate I've given money to this cycle. Even Alan Grayson hasn't inspired me. I will only support candidates who support the constitution as written, sorry to be Eddie's buzz kill here. The democrats lost my support when Nancy pelosi said she would allow impeachment hearings when someone showed her a crime Bush committed. This was after both bush and cheney bragged about ordering the torture of human beings on national televison-

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Manufactured narrative.

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How rational is it to believe that if Romney wins the election, we're all going to die (exageration of course but you get the point), when there will be 65-70 million people that vote for him, who think if Obama wins the election we're all going to die?

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Thanks traveler.

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Had it drafted for a couple days and wasn't going to publish but there seems to be alot of people going thru this at this point in the election season, so what the hell. If people really feel the dems are the lesser of two evils, I can understand how they get there. .

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Absolutely positively

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Even though I live in a state that President Obama is sure to take, I most certainly will vote for Obama. I will also vote straight line Democrat on the New York ticket.

And I will keep my displeasure with the President and his Party to myself for the next seventy-four days while stereotyping any progressives who need to continue whining and complaining through this election season as blithering fucking idiots.

The time to make Obama earn his votes was passed over by the electorate but for now the lesser of two evils is the lesser of two evils, case closed. That time to make demands of the President and his Party will come again soon enough.

John Cusack should know that, you should know that, hell anyone who is not welcoming another Republican administration that makes George W. Bush actually seem like a "compassionate conservative" should know that and this constant re-posting of John Cusack's rant is fucking bullshit.

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Hmmm, couldn't a simple yes do?

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I respect those who feel the need to vote is important and those that feel the need not to vote, but the Cusack piece interviewing Johnathan Turley asks the right questions on what we stand for or are supposed to stand for like most of the pieces referenced. You might disagree, but the overall attack on our civil liberties makes it hard and it is something we all have to think about like the perpetuation of this BS GWOT. In that sense we are already living your greatest fear.

I hope there is some snark here, because I'm not an idiot and I reject the lesser of two evils dynamic though I also live in a state where the vote will go to Romney. I also don't think Romney is going to win because of the electoral tally. The time to make demands is when it doesn't matter at all? I don't agree with that.

I think locally a much stronger case for voting can be made. But on Romney, an argument could be made that Democrats are more likely to oppose him. Congress matters more as far as protecting the safety net so downticket races are more important than the main horse race, though as i said in my last diary, nothing will get done because Democrats won't change the Senate.

It took Nixon to go to China, it will take a neoliberal Democrat to permanently gut SS and Medicare watching the so called progressives fold like dominoes because Obama told them to for "the greater good.". It won't be acceptable to me as the lesser of two chained CPI evils.

I'm honestly kind of disappointed to hear this. I don't plan on shutting up for this election, but I also don't tell people how to vote or to not vote. I don't mind arguments to the contrary, but I hope they are more respectful than this. Just IMO. Take it as you will, but over the years I have gotten to know you and like you a lot and your photography which is why this just makes me sad.

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the lesser of two evils is just that...lesser evil.

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...and by what degree? apparently, you're perfectly willing to hold your nose and vote for an admitted "evil". i can not and will not do that...nor can i nor will i sit idly, complacently by and keep my mouth shut for the next seventy-four seconds much less seventy four days about what i see as wrong with this president and the party he represents, that i once held dear.

...and i'm eternally thankful that a place like VOTS exists where i can voice that opposition without fear of repurcussion...just as you are free to express your opinion here.

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You're on the side of the Plutocrats.

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You don't need to get all over heated at the mere existence of opposition to your violently anti-worker pro-war positions.

You want children blown to bits in Afghanistan, you don't want Labor Law enforced, and you want the tar sands pipeline built. You approve of a widening chasm between rich and poor and don't think the President should even hint at any increase in Federal employment. You think wage freezes are the right move in the face of a Depression.

You're free to have those opinions, but you should stop lying about them. The difference between you and a Republican is that they, at least, do battle against poor and working people face instead of pretending to be on our side.

Your votes, not your rants, tell us what you value.

You and yours have spent 32 years creating this world, shoving the Democratic Party farther right every time you cast a ballot.

Quit losing your shit in public just because people of courage and goodwill still dare to point out the harm you're proud of causing. It doesn't persuade, it just shows the rest of how deeply ashamed you are of choices you've made.

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"Whining, complaining, fucking idiots"?

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Please don't bring that noise here. I appreciate that you seem to be conscious of the fact that you are indulging "stereotypes," hopefully ones you don't really believe are accurate, in order to influence the election.

The purpose of this site is neither to campaign nor to propagandize. The words you use are nothing more than propaganda. Rather than engage in manipulation and hyperbole, not to say outright lies, we hope on this website to treat differing opinions with respect. We hope to discuss the issues of the day rather than engage in ad hominem and mischaracterization. If someone says something you think is idiotic, you are free to demonstrate the idiocy of their remarks. Simply dismissing them as "idiots" will not fly here. Any comment anyone makes can be construed as "whining". This is the internet--we do not know who is whining and who is speaking true with a strong voice. Please refrain from making stuff up about people. If by "complaining", you mean pointing out such things as the USG giving houses to private equity firms in order to help them enrich themselves at the expense of the people, I can only guess that you favor instituting a policy of willful silence and ignorance. Such a policy is the opposite of how many of us here see our duty as citizens.

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Appreciate that Eddie.

Big Al's picture

We all have our opinions on the political process and the two parties and if there is one reason to vote, it just might be to keep the republicans out of office, again. Some of us are just tired of that approach, don't feel it's working or will work, and are willing to explore other, more radical ideas. That's all we're doing here is exploring.

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I don't know Eddie...

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Seems to me the time to make Obama earn his votes is his entire time he's in office. This is a President who told us to eat our peas while dangling the soup bone of shitty corp health care somewhere down the line. Oh, but didn't we all get to watch while he shook his finger at Wall Street as they ate their caviar? Was I an idiot to notice that?

This is a President preaching deficit fever and austerity measures that will hurt the least amongst us while defense spending just rolls along, but that shouldn't count because he's not as delighted and mean about it as those awful Republicans? Because you know, I read in the NYT he's pretty cheesed he gets no credit for being willing to cut our safety net.

Now the big scary thing is abortion. Tell me Eddie, how easy is it to get one now in Georgia? Nebraska? Did the President stand up and do what was right on that Plan B pill? No. Do you honestly think the Republicans are going to overturn Roe v Wade and lose that big stick? Why didn't they do it under Bush? because they don't really want to.

I don't know what I'm going to do yet but this President has shown us pretty often what he thinks of us and our needs let alone demands.

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On this point ...

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Do you honestly think the Republicans are going to overturn Roe v Wade and lose that big stick?

If we go on observed behavior rather than abstract arguments, they'll certainly attempt to overturn Roe v Wade if they hold the House and get the Senate. The House has not been exhibiting any strategic restraint regarding abortion. That is, after all, the source of the "forcible rape" legislative language attempting to limit the exceptions on rape, incest and the life of the mother, enroute to eliminating them.

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i agree with Glinda...

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they cannot afford to lose that big stick... take that away from the fundie portion, which is their bread and butter, then all they have left is their gay hate, and the winds of change are slowly blowing there.

being against abortion is their beard and butter - it's their moneymaker. they've been dependent on it for 30 years. they love it so much, and they know that even wen the economy is this bad, they can't really sell that to their rank and file... economics, even rudimentary econ, is not sexy nor is it easily understandable to the typical Faux Noise crowd... so even now, when the economy is bad, they bring out the abortion stick, cuz it's a winner for them - always has been... they cannot afford to lose that stick. it's too big a part of their identity...

just my opinion...

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Yep

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It's a widely embraced theory that I subscribe to as well. The assumption is that, as a party, the Reps have no integrity to their stances on the passionate social issues.

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It's a widely embraced theory that I subscribe to as well. The assumption is that, as a party, the Reps have no integrity to their stances on the passionate social issues.

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Really?

type1error's picture

A Democratic president move so far to the right that he signed into law a bill allowing the indefinite detention of American citizens. Is it really that hard to believe that Romney would sign anti-choice legislation that embraced in his campaign?

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how has voting for evil

nemesis's picture

Worked out for you? Honestly I am absolutely flabbergasted at your statement. It is exactly this mentality that guarantees nothing will ever change. Either you have principles or you don't. You can't suspend them and then to have integrity later. Eddie, I love you, but this is disgusting. Please rethink your approach and your petulance here.

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Yes, I am.

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As much as I dislike his foreign policy, I am voting for the president and volunteering for his re-election campaign. I see a great deal of daylight between the president and his opponent on domestic policy. The thought of Mitt Romney in the White House makes my skin crawl and keeps me up at night.

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I say good for you

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That's how you see it, and you're doing something about it. What else can a citizen do? I have strong views that take me to a different conclusion. I don't for a minute doubt that, on the major issues, we share compatible goals.

From chipmo's excellent essay, here's a quote from Raúl Zibechi:

To anti-systemic forces… it is impossible to draw one single strategy for the planet and it is useless to attempt to establish universal tactics. Although there are common inspirations and general shared objectives, the different speeds of the post-capitalist transition, and the notable differences between the anti-systemic subjects, raise awareness of the risk of making universal assumptions.

We can debate whether working to re-elect Obama is "anti-systemic" but I do think the sense of this quote still applies. We each do what we can according to our own best lights.

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Obama violated his oath of office

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If there is any principle to guide one's voting, surely it is not to vote for a person known to undermine the constitution. The constitution is our protection against tyranny. How much more basic can it get?

Obama covered up war crimes, itself a war crime, and engaged some of his own. Obama worked to institutionalize violations of civil liberties. Obama expanded the power of the executive into the province of the judicial, creating extra-legal, unconstitutional powers for the executive.

I would never vote for anyone who had committed these fundamental sins against the nation and against the constitution, no matter who he was running against. I have a choice that involves more than what is set before me by those who are running this show for their own profit.

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Most likely not.....I'll decide when I walk in the booth

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The time for Obama to stop taking my vote for granted ended more than two years ago. Case closed. He chose not to earn my vote. Tough shit for him if I don't give it to him. He is a public servant. If his job performance is terrible why should he think he is above a job performace review? What's so hard for him to understand that he works for the public, not the other way around.
I don't want more money pissed away in Afghanistan. Why does he insist on not protecting the public through very simple regulatory fixes of the financial industry? Why does he insist on serving me a shit sandwich and then become indignant if I don't vote for him? That's just not realistic thinking. He is a public employee who happens to have the distinct job requirement that he earn my vote in order to remain employed in his present job. His job performance is part of a continuous spectrum of evaluation by me, and at this point I'm not satified with his job performance.

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can we please avoid personal attacks here?

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the thing that I really like about this place is that unlike DK and other sites, personal attacks are exceedingly rare. If one disagrees with a position held by another user then one should be able to express one's disagreement without resorting to a personal attack. Insulting the intelligence of another user is just not acceptable behavior. Can we please try to keep the standards of this site above those of other sites. Disagreement is great, it's what makes for an interesting thread. I would really like to see disagreement that is free of insult.

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So what does the lesser of two evils thing come down to?

Big Al's picture

Is there really justification and a necessity to truly consider that as the reason to vote for Obama? I'll admit a big part of why I migrated to Daily Kos in 2007 and became interested in the Presidential election was to get Bush and the republicans out of there. But something happened on the way to the market. Obama turned into Bush, and the entire system seemed to morph into a giant ball of kabuki silly putty. Nothing changed except to get even worse. More wars, more police state, more gambling casino money for the banks and wall street, more power to the corporations, and admittance from both parties that the social program are on the table, which is astounding. In a way I'd like to find something I could grab on to that really tells me Obama and the democrats are different, but actions have to speak louder than words.

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The lesser of two evils means

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"We can do this the easy way, or we can do it the hard way." So few people seem to notice here in the land of the free that it is not really choosing if the choices are limited to two and controlled by someone else. I know it looks like democracy in form, but this ain't democracy.

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The way that the radical reactionaries ramped up ...

BruceMcF's picture

... how great the Greater of Two Evils was, was by playing the long game and moving the ball forward on School Boards and Township Boards and City Councils and State Legislatures, and primaries lost badly, then lost narrowly, then won with the general election lost, and finally won with the general election one. Over more than forty years.

They've been playing that game and its been slowly wracking up small wins and then bigger since I was in primary school.

So for me, "the lesser of two evils" means that those supporting the good haven't got their act together until far too late to have any impact on that particular general election contest, its time to cross that contest off the list of possible wins and start working for the next fight. Since I crossed this particular fight off the list of possible wins in mid-November 2008, getting emotionally invested in the current contest seems akin to throwing good money after bad.

Of course, I had no hopes of an Anti-Imperial Presidency from Obama. Expecting an Anti-Imperial Presidency from Obama would be like looking at to my back lawn and wondering where the wheat is. Until the sod has been broken and the ground has been turned and the field has been plowed and the seed has been sowed, there is no reason to expect a harvest. Indeed, at a time when we are seeing an accelerating loss of what we had under the Fordist regime, expecting to have a win dropped in our laps that was beyond our capability to organize for, mobilize for and grab when the Soviet Empire fell seems like magical thinking to me. It won't happen without making it happen, and I don't see any strong link between making it happen and which way we should happen to vote in the 2012 Presidential campaign.

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Yup.

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In the choice between the Hedge Fund Democrats and the Private Equity Republicans, the Hedge Fund Democrats allow sustainable energy and transport an opportunity to build toward the future, and the Private Equity Republicans insist on shutting down the competition to Big Oil and Big Coal.

That's not about "making Obama earn it", its a clear difference between the W Bush regime and the Obama administration. Its one of the few things that the Obama administration has already earned more than W Bush did and that Romney promises.

That is, of course, not anti-oligarchic by any stretch of imagination, its an internal fight between different elements of the oligarchy, but its one where I want the Whig faction to keep winning over the Tory faction until the sustainable energy industry is too well entrenched to be rooted out by Big Oil and Big Coal.

On the modern fascist corporate state, I've seen for forty years Republicans move toward the goal of a fascist state and Democrats consolidate the positions that Republicans have pushed the country toward. Given that dynamic, I don't want to see what the push after Reagan/Bush and Bush will be. I do agree that the fighting against that allows us to pretend that we are building a big coalition, when in fact a lot of that coalition is just the intra-corporate party wrangling of the Democrats, and most of it is revealed as illusion and vanishes like the morning mist once the partisan fight is won by the Whig faction of the corporate party. But getting into a position where the position that we are in now is the one we are struggling to get back to does not strike me as progress.

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Windpower generating capacity has doubled ...

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... between 2008 and this year, from 25GW to 50GW. The Republicans in the House are even now trying to throw a monkey wrench in the roll-out of windpower. The Obama department of energy has ruled that state level portfolio standards for renewable energy production can be taken into account when establishing feed-in tariffs for the corresponding renewable energy sources.

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You two, I'm confused about this question

geomoo's picture

I just saw my s-i-l. He works a lot with politicians and government, national and state. He is so happy Obama is in. There are better people to deal with in the agencies. There are a lot of enthusiastic people his age who feel they are being given a chance to affect things. I have had my doubts, but he has pretty much convinced me that its not his, my b-i-l's, idealism blinding him but that it really does make a difference who is in power.

So on the drive home, I was asking myself, is that enough of a reason to vote for him. To me, it's not. It's one example in which the label "purist" is accurate. I cannot vote for someone who so extensively and so consistently over time violated the oath of office, contributing actively to the erosion of constitutional government. To me, you may as well justify voting for a dictator. Would we choose Charles Taylor over Idi Amin? (For anyone who may want to get huffy about that comparison, it is intentionally exaggerated in order to make a point. The question is, is there any degree of evil at which parsing which one is worse is clearly beside the point?

The important thing to me is that people have their eyes open to what is going on. If they do, and vote for Obama anyway for the sake of advantages of any sort, who am I to say anything? But please don't pretend Obama is something that he's not. Right now, I can't vote for him--physically could not do it. My body wouldn't let me.

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I'm confortable with not voting for the Prez

Shahryar's picture

Consider that big money people contribute to campaigns. They expect getting paid back and they do get paid back. If they were ignored and then lectured about how they had to give more money and not to count on their concerns being considered in the future, they would not make new contributions. That's pretty simple.

So small contributors are free to feel the same way. Don't do anything about the issues I care about? No money. Go *against* my issues? No vote.

It has been part of the administration's calculation that they would move to the right. A reasonable person would assume they would lose votes on the left. At this point the only way to keep them is to insult the left and ask "where you gonna go?" Insult and threaten.

But it makes sense to me that as you pick up votes in the center and then the right you have to lose votes on the left. That's not my doing, it's the administration's.

I think Obama deserves to lose. Unfortunately Romney needs to be dismissed from the national scene (as would any of the other Republican candidates). I will leave that up to the Republicans who now claim to be Democrats. DailyKos is full of them.

By the way, I got irate two nights ago when I saw a picture of a big-smiling Rachel Maddow with the caption (roughly) "I'm a liberal. That means I'm pretty much in total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican platform".

And all with a big smile. That drove me up a wall. A real liberal would be pretty much in total agreement with Stevenson's Democratic platform. All of these people in the Democratic hierarchy, all of these people who are at dKos, are really Eisenhower Republicans. Screw 'em.

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