I Don't Care What the Excuse Is!

I'm so pissed i could spit, so consider this rant my virtual spitting.

I don’t care if the president is a registered Democrat - I'm not gonna play cutesy semantic games because of it. And I don’t care who started it - I've been pissed for a looong time about this. Now there is undeniable proof that all of our fears – fears that many of us were vocal about for more than a decade now - over what the Patriot Act could be used for are, in fact, well grounded and not some tin foil conspiracy theory. And don’t get me wrong - this is SPYING on the entire populace. Period. They may not have listened to your phone calls – YET – but they have no legitimate reason to have scooped them all up in the first place. None. This kind of overreach is EXACTLY the kind of thing (at least in spirit) the founders had in mind when they put that Fourth Amendment in the Bill of Rights fcol.

I don’t care that technology makes it easy to do. We have a need for privacy and there is a pretty clear penumbra of privacy in the Bill of Rights. No need for privacy you say? How far do you think the Founders would have gotten if the British government did this kind of spying? How many slaves would have been able to be moved through the Underground Railroad if government had had this level of legal access to all communications?

Yeah - I don’t care if it was legal. 15 years ago it was not legal and would have been considered an affront to our Constitutionally guaranteed (a guarantee that seems quaint and antiquated now) civil liberties. That the Big Brother government has managed to tailor a law to allow them to legally get away with suspect behavior does not make it a good thing or an ethical thing. Tailoring a law to make behavior legal is what the Bush Admin did with torture fcol. And lest we all forget – slavery was legal once too…

I don’t care if some companies have access to that information. My phone company has an interest in having my phone records – they bill me for them. The government on the other hand has no legitimate vested interest in my phone records. Marketing firms track my web surfing, fine. It bothers me, but they don’t have much power over me at all. Government on the other hand has an exponentially large amount of power over me and history is littered with examples of governments exercising that power in myriad negative ways. So yeah, companies have various facets of this info on me, but now government has the legality and apparently the want to have ALL of these various facets of information on me. Like a dossier, we all have our own private FBI file now – and not for bad or suspect behavior – just for simply existing in this country.

So our Big Brother government HAS to SPY on all of our phone calls in order to make us “safe”. God Orwell would be rolling over in his grave if he saw how much life was imitating art.

Also available in Orange

Topic: 

Tags: 

Rating: 

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (10 votes)

Comments

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

poligirl's picture

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

pfffft.

The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

 

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (7 votes)

I'm spitting mad too

aigeanta's picture

And you know the people who make me the maddest? The fucking apologists: 

"Oh but if you weren't protesting this when Bush did it, you have no right to be upset."

"It's not a big deal; look at all the info you post yourself on Facebook - you must have something to hide if you're paranoid about the government looking at your phone metadata."

"This is all just a Republican plot to bring down the President. He is busy protecting us, don't you know?"

Well there really are no excuses for this folks. The government is waaaay overstepping its bounds and we have to do something about it. There is no other option, unless you really really really want to live in the Orwellian dystopia he fortold...oh wait it's already here! So honestly, we're going to have to push the blanket off the populace and make them see it. This will entail a massive protest movement. It doesn't matter if the protests have worked in the past or not; this is our moral and civil obligation to ourselves and our descendants.

 

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (10 votes)

yep - it's the apologists that pissed me off the most

poligirl's picture

with this... it's like they've all got the same list of talking points and they're all lame excuses...

though last night i felt pretty good when i posted in one defender's facebook thread and several lefties i know liked and agreed with my sentiments... 

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (5 votes)

Well I for one

nemesis's picture

Welcome my new security illusion overlords.  Leaks harm my psyche.  

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (8 votes)

Germany, 1932?

Shahryar's picture

it might be time to think about relocating. Oh great....now I have to worry about saying that!

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (8 votes)

"The Bush administration on steroids"

aigeanta's picture
James Bamford, a journalist and author of several books on the NSA, said it's very surprising to see that the agency tracks domestic calls, including local calls. In 2006, USA Today reported that the NSA was secretly collecting a database of domestic call information. However, some phone companies denied any involvement in such a program.
 
Bamford's assumption was that the uproar over a separate, post-9/11 warrantless wiretapping program and the departure of the Bush administration meant that the NSA had been reined in.
 
"Here we are, under the Obama administration, doing it sort of like the Bush administration on steroids," he said in an interview with the Associated Press. "This order here is about as broad as it can possibly get, when it comes to focusing on personal communications. There's no warrant, there's no suspicion, there's no probable cause ... it sounds like something from East Germany."
Bamford believes the NSA collects the call records at a huge data center nearing completion near Bluffdale, Utah. He estimates the center is designed to store data on the order of yottabytes, each of which is equivalent to a trillion 1 terabyte desktop hard drives. The agency has denied that the center is designed to hold domestic communications records.
 
 
 
3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (5 votes)

It looks as though someone is "hearing voices"

geomoo's picture
"You should reject these voices", because they say WE can't be trusted.

Relax, children, and listen to papa explain how the government "binds
us together".  Forgot the reason the founding fathers created our
system of government, our constitution, and our bill of rights.  They
were all just worry warts full of CT.

Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental
opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished
period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too
plainly prove a deliberate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery.
- Thomas Jefferson

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.
- John Adams

Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.
- Dwight Eisenhower

 

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (7 votes)

Well, we HAVE always been at war with Eastasia...

PhilJD's picture

and if we'd just stop sniping at each other, stop pushing back at our leaders and help them keep us safe...

if we could just learn to fight as one against our real enemies...

WE'D FINALLY FUCKING WIN!

s/

 

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (8 votes)

yep. sigh... pretty much... and xxdrzombiexx said...

poligirl's picture

it very well at GOS:

They do this shit incrementally and on the sly in case Americans MIGHT - accidentally - find reason to pour into the streets and do what needs to be done to set this shit straight.

We have voted more than enough.

it didn't work.

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (5 votes)

Obama: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me

aigeanta's picture

The front-running Democrat in the New Hampshire primary makes the promise in one last stump speech at an election day rally with the Facebook generation.

For one thing, under an Obama presidency, Americans will be able to leave behind the era of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and "wiretaps without warrants," he said. (He was referring to the lingering legal fallout over reports that the National Security Agency scooped up Americans' phone and Internet activities without court orders, ostensibly to monitor terrorist plots, in the years after the September 11 attacks.)
 
It's hardly a new stance for Obama, who has made similar statements in previous campaign speeches, but mention of the issue in a stump speech, alongside more frequently discussed topics like Iraq and education, may give some clue to his priorities.
 
In our own Technology Voters' Guide, when asked whether he supports shielding telecommunications and Internet companies from lawsuits accusing them of illegal spying, Obama gave us a one-word response: "No."

 

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (5 votes)

One of the smoothest sell-jobs ever.

3goldens's picture

Between the material you've quoted plus the transcript of Obama's comments at the press conference he had yesterday on the ACA, I'm drowning in the flat out lies and weasel-talk.  The record of his promises pre-election serve to indict him for his words and actions since taking the Oath of Office.  He is contemptible.

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (3 votes)

Great rant, poligirl

3goldens's picture

Saw this over at DK and decided to come over here to read and comment.  I'm with you.  I just feel sick at what a Democratic government I helped vote into office is doing and becoming.  Just sickening.

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (3 votes)

thanks 3goldens! and great to see you here!... :D

poligirl's picture

i was just stewing about all of this crap for the past day and a half, and so this morning i just ran with it...

i'm so pissed i almost can't process the largess of it... sigh...

3
Your rating: None Average: 3 (2 votes)